Overheard at the DailyPaul.com with regards to the likely Obama Administration challenge to the newly passed Arizona Immigration law:
Most illegals are taking advantage of the American people in one form or the other, and I say they need to either be deported immediately, or shot on site when crossing our border illegally.
how many mexicans or other illegals parents or grandparents fought and bled in our wars?
Our liberty was purchased with a price. Our liberty is for Americans in this country. Let the illegals and other people fight for Liberty in their own countries. OR MIGRATE TO THE US THE LEGAL WAY..
Please do not tell us what and who a true libertarian is. What you are decribing is an anarchist. Therefore it you who is at the wrong website.
Anarchists are traitors…and will be dealt with accordingly.
Now, of course, I realize that it can be unfair to cast a few comments as being representative of a given movement as a whole. This type of argumentation method is prone to committing the logical fallacy of the “biased sample.” However, in this case, I’m not sure I would be guilty of committing any fallacy of hasty generalization in assuming these sentiments are accurate reflections of the movement as a whole. Let’s look at their gallery of “liberty candidates.”
We are a Nation of Laws and The Bill of Rights and the Constitution is the Highest law in the land and those Laws Must Be enforced starting at our borders! I say Absolutely no Benefits to anyone here illegally….Period. All immigrants must enter the US legally, follow our laws, assimilate and learn our language. English is our official language and the State shouldn’t have to bear the cost.
We shouldn’t allow sanctuary cities and we all should support our law enforcement officers who only uphold the rule of law. Many who break our laws to be here, also put a huge burden on our economy by eliminating jobs from Arizona citizens. These burden’s also put economic strain on our health care system, schools, prisons and the tax payer who has to absorb the burden.
I’ll work hard protecting our AZ boarders and will not waiver from Oath to uphold the AZ & US Constitutions.
Fitzgerald calls himself a “constitutional conservative,” which is some invented fiction with no basis in any historical reality, and is merely a code word for Big Government enforcement of a cultural normality in line with his own cultural interests. What “constitutional era,” what “old order” are these conservatives seeking to return to? The original adoption of the constitution that excluded about 90% of the population from representation and enforced an order of “slave labor” for some? The passage of the alien and sedition acts or the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act?” The Native American genocide and the trail of tears? The Civil War, which, ended any legality of the right of secession? The “Progressive regulatory State” that would eventually arise in the aftermath of the industrial revolution? The early 20th century “Progressive Baptists and Bootleggers” assaults on the liberty of owning your own body? The New Deal Corporate State of FDR? The permanent War Military State that arose in the aftermath of the WWII?
Murray Rothbard, in “For a New Liberty,” deconstructed the history of American “conservatism:”
Indeed, conservatism began, in the early nineteenth century, as a conscious attempt to undo and destroy the hated work of the new classical liberal spirit — of the American, French, and Industrial revolutions. Led by two reactionary French thinkers, de Ronald and de Maistre, conservatism yearned to replace equal rights and equality before the law by the structured and hierarchical rule of privileged elites; individual liberty and minimal government by absolute rule and Big Government; religious freedom by the theocratic rule of a State church; peace and free trade by militarism, mercantilist restrictions, and war for the advantage of the nation-state; and industry and manufacturing by the old feudal and agrarian order. And they wanted to replace the new world of mass consumption and rising standards of living for all by the Old Order of bare subsistence for the masses and luxury consumption for the ruling elite.
Rothbard, once again, provides us with this deconstructive gem,regarding William F. Buckley, the patron saint of modern conservatism:
For Buckley favors: “the extensive and productive tax laws that are needed to support a vigorous anti-Communist foreign policy,” and by implication supports ECA aid and 50-billion dollar “defense” budgets. He declares that the “thus far invincible aggressiveness of the Soviet Union imminently threatens U.S. security,” and that therefore “we have got to accept Big Government for the duration–for neither an offensive nor a defensive war can be waged…except through the instrumentality of a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores.” Therefore, he concludes, we must all support “large armies and air forces, atomic energy, central intelligence, war production boards and the attendant centralization of power in Washington–even with Truman at the reins of it all.”
The likes of Fitzgerald self-righteously extol the so-called “Rule of Law,” but the documented reality is that everyone everyday is guilty of committing multiple violations, multiple federal felonies. Fitzgerald is a criminal, just as all of us are criminals. Perfect enforcement of the this “so-called rule of law” would collapse this ‘constitutional government.”
Let’s look at Mike Lee, another Ron Paul endorsed candidate.
A core constitutional function of the federal government is to “insure domestic tranquility” by protecting our country. We maintain peace and freedom when our national defense is strong. We must continue to develop sophisticated, cutting-edge tools and weaponry to defend our citizens from threats of terrorism. We must have clear objectives when we place our brave men and women of the Armed Forces in harm’s way. Once engaged, we cannot tie the hands of our military with unnecessary rules of engagement. When our objectives are achieved, we must bring our troops home.
Lee, on immigration and the need promote the use of E-Verify, the federal government’s identification system for workers gaining permission to work for companies under federal contracts. In other words, a national ID card.
Investing in the technology, personnel, and physical infrastructure necessary to secure the southern border
Enforcing existing immigration laws
Improving and promoting the use of E-Verify—a nationwide immigration-status verification system designed to enable employers to ascertain quickly and accurately whether would-be employees are authorized to work in the United States;
Mandating and enforcing the denial of federal and state welfare benefits to illegal immigrants;
Clarify the original intent of the citizenship clause through legislation specifying that children born to illegal-alien parents in the United States are not entitled to automatic citizenship; and
Making clear that illegal aliens will not receive amnesty in any form, and must return to their own countries before applying for a visa; illegal aliens should receive no benefit from having entered the United States illegally, and should not be granted guest-worker visas or the opportunity to “purchase” lawful immigration status.
Or how about Tea party candidate extraordinaire, Sharron Angle, who recently waxed poetic about alcohol prohibition and enthusiastically suggested that every county in America needed a Sheriff Joe Arpaio. I could go on and on documenting the views of these so-called “liberty candidates.” The only one that seems superficially tolerable from a libertarian perspective is Jake Towne; but, of course, he is the only one running as an independent.
Of course, it bears pointing out that using broad designatory terms like “illegals” is a favorite tool of fascism and fascist governments. Such a simple designation immediately abrogates any clear language associated with negative liberty. Habeas corpus and the Geneva conventions? Sorry, doesn’t apply to “illegal” combatants.” Free Speech? Sorry, doesn’t apply to “illegal demonstrations” or “illegal protesters.” In the end, under the so-called rule of law, we are all criminals, we are all “illegals,” if someone or some group wants to designate you thusly. I suppose it hasn’t occurred to these disphits that there are groups out there would designate them as “illegals” and guilty of sedition, and that their own language can be turned against them to support these groups’ claims. In a previous post, commenting on the Democratic Establishment, I noted that if these guys were the least great hope for liberty, it was time to run for the hills. Well, if Tea Party Conservatives are the the remedy to the Dem Establishment, I would suggest boning up on your long-term survivalist skills. Your are not going to be coming down anytime soon…